The Dual Difference2024-04-08T15:39:06-04:00

Changing Lives,
One Session at a Time

The Dual Therapist Model inspires a dynamic transformation for patients and psychologists.

Your Journey to a Fulfilling Life

Changing Lives, One Session at a Time

Changing Lives, One Session at a Time

The Dual Therapist Model Inspires a Dynamic Transformation for Patients and Psychologists

We see a problem.
We have a solution.
The Dual Therapist Model.

Acknowledging gaps in traditional therapy methods, Drs. Michele Kinderman and Kelly Yanek have embarked on a transformative journey to revolutionize the way mental health treatment is delivered and received.

By pooling their individual strengths and diverse skill sets, the doctors have devised an approach that harmoniously integrates communication, trust, and connectedness into therapy sessions.

The dynamic fusion creates a comprehensive and multifaceted therapeutic experience, offering clients an enriched and holistic pathway to change.

The interactions of two providers during sessions serve as a model for clear and respectful communication and genuine, nurturing connection. With dual therapists, clients benefit from exposure to varied perspectives, an increased sense of physical and emotional safety, and a broader range of therapeutic techniques. Clients receive double the nurturing, love, and support. The client and providers become a united team on the journey toward wellness. By embracing this innovative methodology, clients embark on a transformational expedition, one that encourages growth, empowerment, and a renewed sense of well-being.

The Dual Therapist Model also holds tremendous benefits for therapists and other service providers, including ongoing support, increased emotional and physical safety, extensive opportunities for personal and professional growth and, most importantly, fun.

Dual therapists are enthusiastic, motivated, and happy to go to work each day. Self-care for the clinicians is built into the Dual Therapist Model; therefore, burnout is prevented rather than treated.

Through this innovative approach, clinicians provide more effective, personalized, and comprehensive treatment, ultimately changing the lives of individuals facing mental health challenges and simultaneously strengthening mental health professionals who need the fortitude, courage, and balance to bring emotional wellness to the world.

Drs. Kinderman and Yanek’s collaborative and forward-looking therapy approach, The Dual Therapist Model, is here to reshape the landscape of mental health treatment, ensuring every step taken is a step toward a brighter, healthier future.


What is the Dual Therapist Model?2023-10-13T21:46:30-04:00

With the Dual Therapist Model, two psychotherapists conduct sessions together with an individual client, couple, or family. Our innovative approach enables us to model communication, friendship, humor, connectedness, trust, and genuineness. We bring two skill sets together for a fuller, more well-rounded approach and demonstrate acceptance of alternate yet equally valid perspectives. This team approach is a relationship model, a way of communicating, a way of being in the world with acceptance, authenticity, and unity.

We really throw a wrench into the power dynamic of traditional 1:1 psychotherapy and create a team feeling where the client is a part of and is empowered by their own therapy.

Are there professional Dual Therapist Model trainings available? Can I become DTM Certified?2023-12-18T21:10:35-05:00

Wellness Outside the Box offers a 11-hour DTM training program specifically designed for mental health clinicians. Develop and enhance the skills needed to work with a DTM partner and master the intricacies of a DTM approach to treatment. Learn the therapeutic tools and techniques that make the DTM so effective, directly from the psychologists who developed the model. 

What does the academic research say about the Dual Therapist Model?2023-10-13T21:52:05-04:00

There is a lot of research on therapists co-leading groups and couples doing couples work, which supports the fact that dual therapists are very effective. But there is no research on two therapists seeing one patient because it hasn’t been done before.

Although there have not been any empirical, scientifically sound studies on this particular model, our anecdotal evidence suggests rapport builds quickly, and trust and safety happen after very few sessions. Our anecdotal evidence also suggests treatment goes at a much more rapid pace. We welcome anyone who would like to research the DTM to come forward. We believe our time is best served seeing clients, who provide the human evidence that shows us this model works. We rely equally on professional and ethical guidelines and common sense. Every client is treated individually, and the boundaries of therapy are adjusted accordingly. Hard and fast rules keep wings tied.

How does the Dual Therapist Model help prevent burnout for therapists?2023-10-20T15:21:22-04:00

We address burnout by having more fun at work, using nature, and being outdoors. Additionally, when we are in session together, one therapist can take the lead if the other is triggered by a topic or incident, or if one of us is simply better equipped to handle a particular situation. When the session is over, we immediately process our affect and take a moment to decompress before the next session begins.

Having a second therapist who is in the session with you and can evaluate your work, celebrate the wins with you, and help you grow, is invaluable. Also, it’s incredibly fun to work with someone you enjoy, knowing if you need to take a break you can put on some music and have an impromptu dance party or grab a coffee and take a walk together.

We have so much more nurturing, warmth, and compassion to give our clients when, in between sessions and at the end of the day, our batteries get recharged. We nurture and support one another on an ongoing basis. We look forward to coming to work each day, and we can honestly say we are better therapists and better people because of the Dual Therapist Model.

I’m a therapist, and this sounds interesting, but I’m not sure I’m ready for such a dramatic shift. Do you have any advice?2023-10-13T21:50:38-04:00

Think about the level of satisfaction you’re getting in your job or career. Are there areas that aren’t a good fit or aren’t working? Read our book. (Stay tuned for the upcoming release date.) Participate in our training program. Learn more about the Dual Therapist Model. You may not need to adopt the DTM in its entirety, but can take specific pieces of what we’ve developed and use them to enhance the work you’re doing. We’d be happy to speak with you about it.

This sounds intriguing, and I really want to start therapy and get out of my comfort zone, but I’m terrified of change. Do you have an office until I feel comfortable venturing “outside the box”?2023-10-20T15:22:13-04:00

Yes. We have an indoor office with a comfy couch and chairs. We tailor treatment to each client’s individual needs, preferences and issues. We also understand some clients come to us because they need encouragement and support to venture outside their comfort zone, so we will work with them toward this goal. We don’t force the outdoors, or any kind of change, on anyone. We are here to support each client on their individual journey.

What kinds of retreats and special events do you offer?2023-10-20T15:23:29-04:00

At the farm, we offer workshops, retreats, and programs for all stages of life. These include mindful hikes, yoga classes, and programs for empty nesters and couples embarking on a new life together. We also host healing retreats for women looking to refresh their spirits and rejuvenate their minds; for teens feeling sad or anxious, lacking in confidence or struggling in social settings; or anyone stuck in a funk, feeling hopeless, and lacking support or balance.

The Dual Therapist Model plays an important role during retreats because of our two skill sets. Michele brings the more traditional techniques and strategies from Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, Cognitive Behavior Therapy, and Psychodynamic Therapy including tools to cope with depression and anxiety. Kelly brings in adventure therapy, ecotherapy, yoga, mindfulness, and breath work. The two skill sets meld, creating fuller, richer experiences for clients.

What are some benefits of conducting therapy outdoors or in other nontraditional settings?2023-10-13T21:49:32-04:00

Working outdoors helps clients put their issues in perspective. Sometimes you get so caught up in your own struggles, thoughts, or issues, all you can see are the four walls around you. When you step outside in nature, you realize there’s a whole big world out there. You can ground yourself in the sights and sounds of nature. There is also scientific evidence that exposure to nature reduces physiological stress by lowering blood pressure and heart rate, both of which tend to increase with anxiety.
It’s also important to pair the clinical piece with the outdoor piece. If you go on a hike, for example, and a bee buzzes by and you experience fear, you can work through your anxiety in real time, with us there to guide you through it. This in vivo experience enables your nervous system to form new pathways that will help you better navigate anxiety-producing situations in the future.

Rock climbing gyms provide opportunities for clients to experience anxiety and practice coping skills in real time. Mindful hikes take teens and adults away from the hustle and bustle of their daily lives so they can recharge their batteries. Also, starting treatment in an office setting can be intimidating for someone with social anxiety or someone who is triggered by people in perceived positions of authority or power.

Are there certain situations in which the Dual Therapist Model might not be a good fit for a client?2023-10-13T21:49:06-04:00

Clients with social anxiety can struggle with an extra person in the room, and clients with a history of abuse at the hands of their parents can become triggered by feelings of transference with two therapists in the room. Cost can be a factor, as the fee for two therapists likely will be higher than for a sole practitioner. However, each client and situation is unique.

What are some ways having two therapists in the same session benefit a single client, a couple, or a child and their parents?2023-10-13T21:48:40-04:00

With a single client, rapport is established quickly, partly because the already existing rapport between the therapists becomes contagious. We include the client in our circle. They know they’re safe with us. It’s as if the client realizes they have two people ready to support them, so it’s OK for them to go where they need to go.

During relationship counseling, we model healthy communication, acceptance, and trust. We openly disagree yet acknowledge that each other’s perspective is valid. Clients watch us respectfully communicate, debate, and banter. We model ways to accept feedback without becoming angry and defensive.

Using the Dual Therapist Model for family therapy allows one clinician to work with the parents, while the other works with the child, or we can work together with the parents, the child or the family as a whole. There are many options depending on the needs of the clients.

What 10 branches of the Dual Therapist Model have you identified?2023-10-20T13:27:38-04:00

The 10 branches of the Dual Therapist Model are humility, self-awareness, acceptance, communication, trust, courage, knowledge, common sense, dedication, and humor & enjoyment.

Together, these contribute to the success of any relationship — whether that’s friendship, marriage, or a business partnership. We call these “branches” because they’re vital to building and nourishing a solid, healthy connection. Just as the branches of a tree support and transfer nutrients to their leaves, the 10 branches of the DTM provide support and sustenance for the Dual Therapist Model relationship to survive and thrive.

What kind of transformative experiences do you employ?2023-10-13T21:46:54-04:00

We believe in using real-life experiences and activities whenever possible to practice what is learned in sessions and to further process deeper emotions. These experiences are unique to each client and could include mindful walking, rock climbing, hiking, paddle boarding, dancing, and yoga.

Which evidence-based theories or techniques do you utilize?2023-10-13T21:46:17-04:00

We do not adhere to one specific method, theory, or technique. We use the most beneficial tools from Dialectical Behavior Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and Psychodynamic Therapy to gear treatment toward the specific needs and goals of individual clients. In addition to more traditional therapies, treatment often includes adventure-based counseling, ecotherapy, pet therapy, and play therapy. With our Dual Therapist Model, we incorporate evidence-based approaches with nature, humor, breath work, and movement to create a unique, effective, and complete approach to health and wellness.

What makes Wellness Outside the Box – Therapy Redefined unique?2023-10-13T21:46:10-04:00

Utilizing the Dual Therapist Model, we combine psychotherapy tools and techniques with meaningful activities and experiences.
We also provide counseling outside the traditional office setting, incorporating nature and the outdoors in the healing process.
We help clients identify and clarify their values, strengths, and goals. Goals are often determined based on one’s values and are achieved through focus on one’s strengths. While your goal may be to decrease feelings of depression, manage symptoms of anxiety, strengthen relationships, tackle career challenges, or improve your ability to cope with daily stressors, our goal is to create a warm, safe environment to guide and foster the desired change.

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The Ladies are sought-after experts on collaboration and connection in the workplace. They are available to speak at your organization, private practice, or conference. They can help you find joy and fulfillment in your personal and professional life by harnessing the power of relationships.

  • Individuals, Work, or Relationship Partners: We offer multiple training programs on implementing the DTM’s 10 branches into your work life or relationship. You will learn how to join forces with others and apply the fundamentals of this model to enhance your personal and professional growth. There is a strong focus on creating, managing, and maintaining a successful partnership.

  • Mental Health Professionals: We provide an 11-hour DTM training program specifically designed for mental health clinicians. Develop and enhance the skills needed to work with a DTM partner and master the intricacies of a DTM approach to treatment. Learn the therapeutic tools and techniques that make the DTM so effective, directly from the psychologists who developed the model.

  • Organizations: We work with leadership, administration, specialized departments, and individuals on ways to implement the DTM branches into your organization. We are experts in understanding personality strengths and challenges and can help problem-solve ways to increase happiness, satisfaction, and productivity on the job.

  • Conferences, Retreats & Workshops: We speak at events and share our expertise in taking risks, finding joy, and feeling more fulfilled at work and home.

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